Podcast: Banks discover AI with shopper issues in thoughts

Whitney McDonald 08:10:35
Wendy, whats up and welcome to The Buzz a financial institution automation information podcast. My identify is Wendy McDonald and I’m the editor of financial institution automation Information. Immediately is June 17, 2024 Becoming a member of me is Rob Krugman, Chief Digital Officer of Broadridge. He’s right here to debate what banks are doing proper with AI. He will even share what customers are asking for from their monetary establishments and the way expertise might help meet these buyer calls for. Thanks for being on The Buzz, Rob,

Rob Krugman 08:10:58
completely effectively first, thanks for having me. So my identify is Rob Krugman. I’m the Chief Digital Officer of Broadridge. Slightly bit about my background. I’m a little bit of a unicorn in that. I began as a technologist, so I graduated faculty with a CS diploma, type of within the 90s. You realize, labored at plenty of digital companies, together with one which I used to be type of a part of the founding staff. And so shortly, type of got interested within the artistic aspect of the of and the design aspect of the method of fascinated with new options and capabilities, and moved to a method function, a product function. And now I might say I’m type of extra in a futurist function the place, , my job is actually to type of look ahead and type of perceive the place issues are headed. How will we leverage new applied sciences and providers to digitize experiences, create new platforms and disrupt companies? So once more, I’m a bit bit, I type of you just like the time period unicorn, as a result of it’s type of this ahead trying time period as we take into consideration issues. So the opposite a part of your query was about Broadridge. And so, , Broadridge is a, , relying on the day, 23 $24 billion public firm. And there actually are, , two points to our enterprise on, , on one aspect of our enterprise, we offer providers to the monetary providers trade to assist them run their companies. And so, to provide you an concept, on any given day, we clear about ten trillion in mounted revenue and fairness securities via our platforms globally, we’re clearly not a dealer seller, however our shoppers are dealer sellers and asset managers. And , all completely different contributors within the monetary ecosystem. The opposite aspect of our enterprise, which represents about 70% of our enterprise, is our communications enterprise. And , inside our communications enterprise, we assist organizations talk with their clients, with their shareholders, with their shoppers via a wide range of completely different sort of mechanisms. There’s advertising communications, there’s communications about your account, there’s regulatory communications. And , we’re not simply somebody that merely distributes content material, however actually what we’re is we, we’ve grow to be a giant knowledge firm the place info flows into our methods, and we work to take that info and ship personalised, related experiences to people, which facilitate actions and facilitate engagement on behalf of our shoppers.

Whitney McDonald 08:13:05
Thanks. And once more, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us now. You talked us via a bit little bit of your background. You could have the expertise aspect, and now you’re serving because the Chief Digital Officer. Perhaps you may inform us a bit bit extra about that function, what your day after day seems to be like, a few of your obligations because the Chief Digital Officer?

Speaker 1 08:13:23
Certain. Yeah. So Chief Digital Officer is type of this bizarre title, as a result of it concludes numerous various things and imply various things, relying upon what group you’re employed for. So , in my function, it actually is 2 items. The primary half is, if you concentrate on the phrase digital, it’s digital transformation. And in right here’s my view of what the phrase digital means, proper? Digital and digital transformation is, how will we take expertise and knowledge, wrap that round a newly reimagined expertise from the angle of the person, we’re making an attempt to resolve want for and ship one thing new, proper? So it’s that expertise, content material, knowledge, expertise, to create one thing higher than what was there earlier than. In order that’s half. And I work with the completely different enterprise models, and I communicate to our shoppers about how will we truly take into consideration digital transformation? How will we leverage these new applied sciences to reimagine the best way we ship providers and the best way that that we ship the providers that now we have right this moment. The second half is round innovation. And , I’m liable for type of our innovation capabilities. We’ve an innovation lab. And once I use the phrase innovation once more, I give it some thought in two methods. There’s what I discuss with as sustainable innovation, which is the work that product groups do, the place it’s round, creating roadmaps and pondering directionally, the place will we need to take these merchandise, and possibly, how will we combine AI into a specific answer? After which there’s disruptive innovation, proper? And so my innovation lab particularly focuses on the disruptive innovation aspect. How will we take into consideration these rising applied sciences, AI, Blockchain? All various kinds of transformational issues for our trade. And the way do they create new alternatives? How do they probably create new companies? And the way do we predict they probably might disrupt our shoppers, in addition to Broadridge? And the way will we truly remedy for that? And a giant a part of innovation is not only doing what we predict is true, nevertheless it’s additionally working very carefully with our shoppers and creating options collectively. So we will, , reimagine monetary providers collectively.

Whitney McDonald 08:15:21
So talking of that method to innovation, after all, you will have the interior staff that determines what to deal with, but additionally what you have been simply mentioning the shopper, the shopper expertise, or the shopper suggestions. Additionally helps with that innovation. So that you guys do that annual Broadridge buyer expertise and communications shopper perception survey. I’d love when you might inform me a bit bit in regards to the survey itself, and we will speak via a few of the findings of the newest survey, and what you assume the highlights are. Certain,

Speaker 1 08:15:51
certain I pay attention. I feel the an important perspective of this communication survey and person expertise. Buyer Expertise is the phrase buyer. It’s the phrase person. It’s how will we truly seize info from the customers that we serve, and probably, much more importantly, from the purchasers that they serve? To make use of that because the driving issue of how we develop options, proper? If you concentrate on expertise, expertise shouldn’t be one thing that the 2 of us sit in a room and say we’ve acquired an amazing concept. It ought to work precisely like this. We could have an concept, however to validate and make sure that that’s the fitting concept, now we have to go communicate to people who find themselves going to make use of it and the way they’re going to leverage it, and now we have to grasp what they’re about. So from my perspective, expertise is type of synonymous with design pondering. How will we create options from the angle of these which can be truly going to be utilizing these options and work backwards? As a result of after we do it the opposite means, we could possibly be fortunate and be proper, however after we do it from the angle of the tip person, the chance of success is way higher as a result of we’re truly fixing issues for the people who we’re making an attempt to resolve issues for. And a humorous factor occurs whenever you do this, whenever you remedy these issues, you find yourself fixing your personal issues. So what the survey supplies is, it supplies us insights into the best way persons are fascinated with new applied sciences, fascinated with expertise, fascinated with directionally, that the best way that they need to be doing issues. And we’re capable of package deal that to start to say, Okay, what different questions are needed? How does this affect the options we ship, and the way will we work with our shoppers to extra successfully ship what they’re making an attempt to do?

Whitney McDonald 08:17:23
So a few of the highlights that I type of picked out from the survey have been AI, implementation, personalization, so we’ll speak via a few of these. However first, primarily based on the survey, possibly we will discuss AI. In fact, we will’t ignore AI, proper? However what? What banks are doing? What are banks doing? Nicely, on the subject of implementing AI, what are you guys seeing on that entrance?

Speaker 1 08:17:46
So I feel , the very first thing that they’re doing is that they’re experimenting, and that’s truly an important factor, proper? So what one of many issues we discover is that on the subject of AI, numerous the efforts are internally centered. How do we offer efficiencies making it simpler to make use of our platforms allow monetary advisors to do their job higher, proper? And possibly some customer support capabilities the place we will make it simpler for shoppers to really service and get self service, after which ultimately go to the fitting of us. That’s an amazing place to begin, as a result of the chance stage with that sort of experimentation is managed. And , so one of many challenges, and one of many issues that got here out of the survey is that, , customers really feel that AI lacks a way of empathy, proper? Proper? That’s actually good suggestions, proper? One of many issues we additionally know is that if we have a look at the expertise each single day, AI will get higher. I used to be at a convention not too long ago and somebody spoke about that AI is as unhealthy because it’s ever going to be right this moment, proper? And you’ll principally repeat that each single day. And in order we take into consideration the long run, how will we leverage AI to extra successfully talk with our clients and to facilitate empathy and perceive who they’re? Turns into more and more necessary. So the opposite aspect of that is personalization, proper? You hit on personalization as a element of this. You realize personalization is actually necessary, proper? Particularly, on the subject of communication, we even have a stat that claims 45% of customers have stopped doing enterprise with corporations who did a foul job of customizing experiences to their particular wants. That’s it. That’s a staggering quantity, 45% so when you take that quantity, after which you concentrate on AI and assume the place we could possibly be headed, proper? I used to be in a one other session simply the opposite day, and somebody was speaking about actual time experiences, proper? This sort of damage my head a bit bit as I used to be beginning to assume via the ramifications of it. As a result of if we take into consideration the best way we personalize content material, and even the best way that we use AI right this moment is to provide us indicators associated to personas, effectively, what if we’d have to try this anymore? What if we might truly use knowledge and knowledge feed that into an actual time expertise engine that creates an expertise particularly for you. That’s the place issues are headed. Now, are we there but? No, proper? There’s challenges that must be overcome. There’s challenges round hallucinations that exist inside AI and the way will we truly tune the llms correctly? That stuff is all coming. I feel. The opposite facet of this, and this was one other discovering, is round knowledge, safety and privateness, proper? How do you , one of many actually attention-grabbing issues about AI is all of the stuff that we will do. One of many questions now we have to ask ourselves is, how a lot stuff we truly ought to do, proper? So safety and privateness grow to be actually necessary as a result of we’re capable of acquire insights at a stage that we haven’t been capable of. To earlier than, as a result of the expertise can truly establish these after which it turns into a query is, when will we get to that ickiness, proper? Like now we have to be actually cautious, particularly in communications, that we don’t scare folks away, and that’s the place empathy begins to return in. So I feel the mix of these items begin to work collectively, and the tip result’s significantly better experiences. And when you ask me the place I feel it’s going to move, I feel we’re going to ultimately get to a spot the place we’re capable of talk with people as people. Yeah,

Whitney McDonald 08:20:59
and also you’re beginning to see, I it actually resonates what you mentioned about AI is as unhealthy because it’s going to be right this moment, it’s so true that it’s always altering and and adapting and getting higher at what it’s imagined to be doing. I type of wished to return to one of many factors that you just made about personalization, and it’s a kind of elements of leveraging AI that will get you to a spot the place you might be having these personalized experiences. You talked about a statistic that you just’re you’re you’re seeing customers depart corporations or stopping being a shopper or patron of sure companies that don’t have that personalized expertise. Perhaps we will break down a bit bit what function knowledge actually performs in that, and possibly a step additional, not simply how necessary it’s, however how do you just be sure you are tapping your knowledge as a monetary establishment? How do you will have significant knowledge you could actually use to your profit,

Speaker 1 08:21:56
certain, and I truly assume what’s attention-grabbing about this, the query you simply requested is, let’s additionally tie AI into that, as a result of I feel there’s a task it may possibly play. So , if we take into consideration the sorts of communications organizations ship to their clients, I have a tendency to consider it in a number of completely different buckets. There’s Advertising Communications, which are usually the mess one of the best communications that individuals ship. They’re very, very expertise pushed. They’re actually centered on facilitating conversions, proper? It’s about producing new enterprise. So not surprisingly, there’s an enormous period of time spent on them. The Different Aspect, although, is when somebody turns into a buyer, all proper? So let’s take into consideration monetary providers. I grow to be a buyer of a brokerage agency or an insurance coverage agency or a financial institution, proper? There’s communications that must be despatched to me. A few of them are regulatory communications. A few of them are account communications, like month-to-month assertion, could possibly be commerce con corporations or different various kinds of letters and notices that I get from the establishment I’ve a relationship with, by and huge, these communications haven’t any empathy. They’re not personalised in anyway. They’re the identical factor that everyone will get. And there’s such a misplaced alternative right here, proper? So one of many attention-grabbing issues we’ll return to the survey for a second Gen Z and millennials. 45% of individuals we mentioned, will cease a relationship due to the shortage of personalization. As you get some youthful generations, it goes as much as 55% so why is that necessary? What can we do about it? You talked about knowledge. Information is the primary driver right here. If we give it some thought, we all know so much in regards to the folks we’re making an attempt to speak it with, however what’s occurred? And I don’t need to use the phrase lazy, as a result of that’s not what it’s. It’s that we view numerous communications as checkboxes. We have to ship out this content material, we have to ship out a invoice, we have to ship out an announcement, we normally have to ship out a regulatory disclosure doc, however we don’t take into consideration the affect on the connection after we ship these issues. What if as a substitute we considered personalization and the alternatives to say each time that we talk, it’s a contact level with our shopper, a real contact level. This can be a assembly. This is a chance sit in a room reinforce the worth proposition that we carry and clarify info in a contextually related means that the client perceive what it means. Proper? That may be an enormous step in the fitting route. So type of, what are a few of the areas we will have a look at after we need to do this. So one of many extra attention-grabbing issues is, over the past two or three months, an amazing place to look is LinkedIn, proper? So LinkedIn up to date their total platform to combine AI, so each single publish has prompts built-in, the place you may get details about what was simply mentioned in that exact publish. That’s a very highly effective factor. So if you concentrate on that in monetary providers, let’s go to brokerage, for instance, as a substitute of merely sending an announcement that mentioned, Whitney, you’re up 3% for the month. Listed here are your holdings, and right here’s the return. The truth is which means nothing to you. What could be way more efficient if it had mentioned, Whitney, you’re up 3% for the month. Right here’s the way you evaluate to different people who seem like you. Listed here are a few of the drivers of that efficiency. Right here is, let’s have a dialog, as a result of I feel we might change a couple of issues to really drive higher efficiency. That grew to become a fascinating communication and there’s so many alternatives to try this throughout this content material, regulatory supplies. I , persons are not leaping up and down when a regulatory doc involves them, however the actuality is, these regulatory paperwork probably have actually necessary info, nevertheless it will get misplaced as a result of there’s a lot of it. So how will we pull out info and say, hey, the RE. And also you’re getting it’s because you truly personal this inventory, proper? That is what it means to you. That is what you’re being requested to do, and for this reason it’s necessary. We have to present that context, that empathy in all sorts of communications. That’s type of like bucket primary, pocket quantity two round personalization is recognizing that, particularly in monetary providers, folks have a number of relationships. I’ll have a wealth account, I’ll have a checking account, I’ll have an insurance coverage account, and so they could all be with the identical group. Once we get completely different items of data from all of these elements, we’re inundated, proper? It truly turns into noise. And so one of many fascinating issues that now we have discovered is that in lots of instances, folks choose the bodily expertise versus the digital expertise, as a result of within the bodily expertise I do know what’s necessary and what’s not in a couple of seconds, however within the digital expertise, I obtain cryptic emails that don’t embrace empathy, don’t embrace info, and so I don’t know what’s necessary, so I ignore them. And that’s an issue for everybody, proper? It doesn’t imply we shouldn’t be sending these items. We should always, however we should always make it a part of the story, and that story ought to actually be centered on the wants of that exact particular person. And right here’s the humorous factor, persons are scared to do that due to rules. Should you truly have a look at rules, you perceive them, you’ll begin to understand that each one these things can work collectively, proper? We will be regulatory compliant whereas facilitating empathy and offering a narrative. And truly, we will do it so much higher digitally than we will bodily. And so it offers the chance to drive that digital transformation and that digital adoption.

Whitney McDonald 08:27:04
No, it’s such a good way to attach these dots and to offer the instance of LinkedIn, and it takes away just like the futuristic what can ai do? You’re already seeing numerous AI software, and that is LinkedIn. Isn’t essentially monetary providers, however it’s a constructive expertise you could acquire a bit bit extra information about who’s interacting with the publish. Okay? So can a monetary establishment acquire a bit bit extra information about how their shoppers are interacting, or, such as you talked about, you get various things in your inbox or a textual content, and also you’re like, I don’t know. I already know that, or that doesn’t imply something to me. So seeing AI applied in that means and saying, Really, we might apply this to monetary providers and have way more significant such as you mentioned, it’s a missed alternative. You’re already making contact with a shopper, however you didn’t get something out of it. They didn’t get something out of it. So I like that instance, and it type of takes away the what ifs round AI, since you’re seeing it in motion in numerous realms and completely different industries, and it’s working. It

Speaker 1 08:28:11
can also begin, , with simply context, proper? Such as you don’t. We don’t have to go all the best way to type of creating this uber personalised expertise, fully developed by AI. We will truly begin with small items, and it could possibly be so simple as this doesn’t even consider AI, take into consideration a commerce verify, proper? When you have a monetary advisor periodically all year long, they’re going to make trades in your behalf, and it’s possible you’ll obtain, , tomorrow within the mail or via electronic mail, 5 commerce confirms, and it says, You obtain this, you bought this, you bought this, you purchased this, proper? That’s all it says. And also you’re type of left asking the query, Why? Why did this occur like and there’s no context. Take into consideration the ability if it merely mentioned, You realize what your portfolio was out of stability towards your objectives. I wished to make some adjustments, so we modified the place, and also you now rebalanced towards these positions. When you have any questions, give me a name, proper? That’s not even AI. That’s simply offering an outline of truly what occurs, and you concentrate on that monetary providers instances. My favourite instance is the reason of advantages for healthcare, proper? I do know it’s not finance, however everybody will get this. You get these EOBs within the mail and it says, This isn’t a invoice. You owe $200 and also you’re like, What do I do with this? Like, is that this? Do I truly owe somebody cash or not? It’s as a result of context is lacking, proper? And that’s the place personalization turns into so necessary. I feel if it , we will personalize the expertise and what it seems to be like. Personalizing the content material by offering context is so necessary for folks to grasp what it means to me, as a result of if not, it’s only a generic piece of data that basically has no robust profit to me. Yeah.

Whitney McDonald 08:29:53
Now we talked greater image. We talked a bit bit in regards to the survey. You gave some knowledge there. We talked AI and personalization, however extra particularly, I’d like to listen to a bit bit extra about what Broadridge shoppers are actually asking of your staff, and type of how that innovation suits in what you’re engaged on right this moment to essentially match a few of these speeds. Yeah.

Speaker 1 08:30:14
So I might say the 4 major areas that we’re fascinated with on the subject of innovation, the primary is expertise, proper? So, and it’s not simply communications expertise, it’s expertise of the whole lot that we do. How will we make it possible for we’re centered on empathy in the whole lot that we construct in order that. That our communications are simpler, that we distribute on behalf of our shoppers, that the interfaces that we offer consider the people who find themselves going to make use of them, so it makes their jobs simpler, proper? Simply for example, I used to be not too long ago, and I’m not going to say which financial institution it was, nevertheless it was not too long ago at my ATM machine, and so they rolled out a complete new expertise. And what used to take possibly 4 clicks on the display screen on the ATM machine. Now, it takes about 15 and I used to be like, What on the earth did they do? And I used to be, I used to be I used to be visibly annoyed on the machine. I used to be like, they didn’t do robust usability testing right here. I’m unsure what they have been pondering. It seems to be fairly, however doesn’t make my life simpler. In order that turns into actually necessary. So expertise is actually necessary. Ai, I don’t assume you will be a corporation right this moment when you’re not listening to what’s happening with AI, proper? And in order that comes actually from from two views, proper? We’ve groups which can be centered on, how will we take into consideration integrating AI into the options that we already present to make it simpler for folks to make use of these instruments to establish efficiencies and allow these efficiencies to occur. What my staff actually is targeted on, although, is, how will we leverage AI to facilitate extra interactive communications, make it simpler for folks to get solutions to their questions, to offer copilots that permit us to type of dig deeper into info and the place it’s going and the place I actually get enthusiastic about AI is the long run. How can machine studying plus AI make it simpler for folks to make selections, proper? So if machine studying is getting used to establish anomalies that exist within the knowledge that robotically turns into exhausted as we’re working via and offering processes for shoppers, can AI truly be skilled to really make selections, after which when the choice is a precedence sufficient, it goes as much as a person to assist them to do their jobs. That’s type of, , one of many issues that I have a look at the third bucket, and this actually isn’t communications associated, although, I feel sooner or later it will likely be, is round tokenization, proper? So we’re spending numerous time fascinated with not simply tokenization on the earth of crypto, and we’re doing numerous work in that house, but additionally, what does tokenization of actual world property imply, and the way is that going to have an effect on and what sort of latest services and products are going to be made obtainable? Proper? We’re seeing numerous this the place banks are experimenting with token ace and asset managers are focusing tokenization. And I feel the place that ultimately involves is the impact that blockchain and DLT particularly, tokenization goes to have on conventional finance? Proper? Are we going to see an eventual transfer the place funds and equities are tokenized property that commerce in an actual time method, and simplify the again workplace processing and efficiencies to a stage that we in all probability by no means thought was even remotely attainable. So these are type of like three of the large areas. The fourth, which is type of extra of a an space that I’ve been fascinated with for a very long time, and it speaks particularly to personalization and communications and the whole lot that we attempt to do is identification. So , one of many the large issues that our trade has needed to remedy for because it’s grow to be a digital trade is identification. How will we do and what will we do with details about our clients? How will we defend it? How will we use it? How will we make it possible for it’s not a part of a cyber assault or weak, proper? And the chance related to that, and the expertise related price organizations billions of {dollars} a 12 months, proper? So not too long ago, there’s been some main adjustments. The the CFPB in November issued a brand new algorithm, which is type of GDPR plus for the monetary providers trade. The White Home in February issued an government order. We’re seeing the identical factor in healthcare. And primarily, what it’s saying is that shopper info is owned by the patron, proper? Let’s not query the place we would retailer info. It’s owned by the patron. And so what we’ve been experimenting with is we experiment with AI and we experiment with tokenization and net three applied sciences are there alternatives to provide customers management over that info and make it simpler for them to have interaction frictionless with the organizations they work with? Proper? Can I’ve a digital pockets that’s my that’s me, it’s my identify, it’s my handle, it’s my social safety quantity, it’s the opposite items of details about me, and might I take advantage of that to facilitate connections with varied service suppliers? As a result of whenever you do this, it eliminates friction, it truly will increase safety and does different issues as effectively. However the greatest worth proposition to organizations goes to be the elimination of friction within the digital world, as a result of friction proper now, proper we type of hit on it earlier than 45% of customers determine to cease doing enterprise with a corporation when there’s not a customized expertise. What I can let you know, and it’s not captured in these numbers, however what I do know is that when friction occurs, I get an electronic mail and I’ve to click on on one thing and I’ve to recollect username and password I don’t know, or I level my cellphone at a QR code and it asks me to do one thing, and I don’t know easy methods to get in. I. That’s kills convergence, proper? And so identification is such a central portion of that’s, can we simplify that and we will break the boundaries to make it simpler to stream between the 2?

Whitney McDonald 08:35:46
Nicely, even your ATM instance, it’s a bit bit completely different, however you’re like, why is that this so difficult? I’ve carried out this when it was simpler, so yeah, the in and the frustration that comes with that, or, such as you mentioned, you’re similar to, neglect it. I don’t need to do that. I don’t need to undergo

Speaker 1 08:36:01
this simply, simply the opposite day, we had a difficulty the place we’re making an attempt to ship cash via Zelle, and it acquired locked up for some motive, and we needed to get on the cellphone at 1130 at night time to talk to, like, like, that is loopy to love, ask me questions. You’re like, Is that this even the financial institution I’m speaking to? I’m involved I’m talking to somebody that’s making an attempt to somebody that’s making an attempt to steal my info. And also you’re like, That is loopy, proper? So, like, there’s, I feel it goes again to this concept of if we lead with expertise and we deal with empathy, and what I imply by that’s, how will we put ourselves within the sneakers of the folks we try to speak with, service, facilitate actions with and make it simpler for them to try this in a means that’s safe, that they don’t. They don’t essentially see the safety, nevertheless it’s there. That’s that’s January regulation. That’s what we’re all making an attempt to do. Yeah, yeah,

Whitney McDonald 08:36:45
completely. And all of these buckets that you just talked about are tremendous necessary proper now, the AI tokenization, after which, after all, the safety as effectively, which type of all goes into this complete concept of investing in digital and frictionless experiences that buyers it’s very clear that that’s that’s what they need, that’s what they want. And so assembly up with that buyer demand via all of these buckets is actually necessary.

Speaker 1 08:37:13
What’s actually attention-grabbing although, simply I didn’t know one level there that you just simply mentioned. The excellent news is there’s loads of locations the place we will steal concepts from it. I don’t imply that negatively, proper? The retail trade, the non monetary providers trade, is actually good at these things, such as you need to see nice buyer experiences. Go, have a look at what Apple does. Go, have a look at what Amazon does. Go, have a look at what Google does, proper? Go, have a look at what retail shopper websites do. It’s fairly superb. And you can say, we’re not competing towards the opposite financial institution, we’re not competing towards the opposite dealer. I’m competing towards Amazon. I’m conceding towards Apple. How do I truly ship experiences which can be at that stage? As a result of when you do, that’s the way you get folks excited, and that’s they discuss it like. You need folks to grow to be internet promoters. Ensure that the best way that you just talk and the best way that you just ship experiences shouldn’t be seen towards the outdated financial institution that they used to work with or the outdated wealth administration agency they used to work with, have them view that towards. Wow, this seems to be like one thing that Apple would ship, proper? That provides you bonus factors.

Whitney McDonald 08:38:13
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